Entheogens and psychedelics

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Permalink Reply by Joram Arentved on July 26, 2008 at 10:31pm

Drugs are still out of any '?,' Ian, so of course I can only recommen you this ONE thing, as Jim D. M. once put it: pls. 'take it, as it comes,' greetings, 'J.A.,' Ifoundittout@yahoo.com.

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Permalink Reply by Angela Dawn on July 26, 2008 at 11:42pm

Hi again Brother,

I think that most people find that chemical drugs have a much different energy than natural substances. And likewise, it seems that natural substances have personalities of their own as well. peyote, marijuana and mushrooms seem to be different “People” with different talents.
I think the danger is in the addiction of using something outside themselves to prod growth, it can be similar to religion. This is just my uneducated opinion, since I have not tried eliciting the help of our plant friends yet. Sounds intriguing though. : )

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Permalink Reply by Ian on July 26, 2008 at 11:52pm

Very good point about not making a religion of it or rather not using them to try to promote growth. However they do give the mind a very different way of seeing the universe. Whether or not this is just hallucination and delusion or whether they are chemicals that influence the brain and allow it to tap into unknown or otherwise normally inaccessible realms is always going to be a topic for debate. I can see how some could argue that these realms are always accessible, you just have to focus your energy, but in a way theses substances can be a shortcut. Some might consider it cheating though or unnatural and therefor not recommended. My biggest curiosity is what about shamans who used these ritualistically in order to delve into the unknown and learn about the universe and push the boundaries of perception?

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Permalink Reply by Angela Dawn on July 27, 2008 at 12:21am

Ian,

Shortcut is the key word here. The short cuts can cause what some call psychic tears. The same can happen to someone who is abused at an early age or is not allowed to have clear boundaries. This opens up the pathway and causes difficulty in controlling what comes and goes. Shortcuts cause a tear, self realization creates a door, a portal.

If you read the accounts of shamans, you might find that in a lot of cases they were trained spirtually first. Like the accounts of Don Juan and Don Genero in the Fire From Within. They did not allow their students to injest substances until a certain point in their growth. After they got past their ego.

The key here is that if one has an addictive personality, any attempt to justify usage is protection and propulsion of the addiction, not the spiritual experience.

Love you brother,

Angela Dawn

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Permalink Reply by Ian on July 27, 2008 at 12:30am

Wow very well put. You have made an excellent point and i would like to thank you so much for your insight. you are truly a wonderful person angela dawn and i am so glad to have become friends with you. This site rocks!!!! Why couldnt i find this place sooner. LOL.

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Permalink Reply by Joram Arentved on July 26, 2008 at 11:58pm

No, no, no, both of U, the best way 4 anyone 2 find 'IT' is by 1self 2 realise 'IT,' still just kidding, it's something I can of course only recommend U both & e.g. myself, greetings, 'J.A., Ifoundittout@ya-hoo.com.

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Permalink Reply by Grail2012 on July 27, 2008 at 6:28am

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The human body is surrounded by electromagnetic (EM) energy. Most of what we see is filtered by the thalamus, which brings a picture of what we perceive as reality. Using drugs to alter and filter the thalamus to induce psychic an/or spiritual experiences is dangerous to the body, brain, and mind, as the drugs ultimately control the individual’s experiences indiscriminately. What you may be experiencing under the influence, may or may not be truly spiritual. These drugs were created to give you a taste of dimensional perceptions, making you want more, leading you to further dependency, addiction, and confusion which ultimately leads to the destruction of your life and population control.

You can achieve true spiritual experiences by controlling and changing the frequency vibrations of your EM and brain through specialized training courses. Those that are awakening to a higher consciousness and are free from drugs, are the candidates that can reach true full potentials in this field. Drug users are controlled by these substances and are not good candidates.

Human brains systematically function in beta, with a brainwave frequency of 21Hz or above which means they are usually unable to have contact with their higher spiritual self. A changing of the body electromagnetic field (EM) and brainwaves to that of Alpha below 13Hz, will open the portal to true psychic abilities and inter dimensional experiences. Those that are trained to change their vibrational frequency fields and operate below 6Hz, are the ones that can reach Adept abilities that can transcend matter, dimension, energy, time and space.

Specialized training to those individuals that merit the privilege will open paranormal functioning.

I believe a good candidate is Tesla, for he is a young man with good conceptual abilities that understands and perceives outside the box and is not frightened by it, he is awakened and smart. But, DRUGS is the drawback…It is up to him which road in the fork he is going to choose.

Take the blue pill or the red pill, one would lead you to status quo. The other to territories and possibilities awaiting for Tesla.

Ian and Tesla, drugs are of this world to keep people enslaved and dependent. You want to be free or not. Now, is your choice and is up to you both which way you are going to direct your life.
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Permalink Reply by FG Ramesses II on July 27, 2008 at 10:23pm

I feel the same way. I see the world through very different eyes since my first of many trips.

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Permalink Reply by Joram Arentved on July 31, 2008 at 3:13am

One more thing, when I told this Tesla the truth, he suddenly accepted that he couldn't count on me, so I don't know, if I can meanwhile ASK him to be any good candidate. If there has to be any future for us, it's contrarily a common sense concept, anyone of you is quite welcome, pls., to take up with me, so that I can of course tell & e.g. help you & myself find out how & when to become whatever Representatives© of, what future is whose & maybe even why. It begins by asking yourself: 'what's my purpose?,' greetings, 'J.A.,' Ifoundittout@yahoo.com, I don't need anyone false to &/or envious of
me, & whatever's my fate purpose. The answers are different things, if you e.g. trust your best friend without trusting yourself, you're likely to make a big mistake, also vice versa.

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Permalink Reply by Seco on August 12, 2008 at 11:18pm

I feel you brother. I have to admit that I am still somewhat of a psychonaut, though I find lightworking to be much more important. Ayuhuasca, Peyote, and Mushrooms are my current favorites, though I must always remember to respect the spirit of these psychadelics for they do contain a Spirit. I have found that ingesting peyote and ayuhuasca intensify the Inner Sight, though they are not to be abused. I cannot stress that enough.

love+Respect, cT

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Permalink Reply by Grail2012 on August 26, 2008 at 4:54pm

Canceling membership.

My time and effort is being spent in endorsing clean energy technnologies, clean body, mind and spirit, opposing drugs introduced to control, weaken, and experiement with the mind of the population, clean up the environment and endorsing environmental protection lobbyists, honesty, and clean up of corruptive governments.

One has to be strong and firm, that is not o.k, when comfronting others that perpetuate destructive actions - either to themselves, others, or the Earth.

Those that do not care will say....oh, it is the path they are following, let them be with their drug addiction, destruction of environment, abusing children, crime, pollution, etc.

Those that do not care will say....it is the road those people are suppose to take at this moment in time.

Well, I care! It is NOT the road that will assure humanity or our Earth survival for generations to come. IT IS NOT O.K.

Being firm with an individual that is comitting a self destructive action that is not for his greater good of mind, body, and spirit is CARING.....really caring.

Wanting each deserving individual to discard destructive behavior and be the very best he/she can be in his/her life given purpose is CARING.

Being FIRM that it is not o.k. to perpetuate destructive behavior and being a guide to help people see that on Earth each have a choice to make a difference for the better.

Caring is taking a FIRM STAND to stop criminal behavior, illegal drugs that destroy peoples bodies, apathy against our environment, abuse, etc.

CARING is taking a FIRM STAND, and that is where I am concentrating my efforts.

Grail2012

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Permalink Reply by Grail2012 on August 26, 2008 at 5:39pm

P.S. Those with a criminal mind will lead others to destruction by helping to perpetuate their wrong doings. Those with criminal minds will discard a caring teacher's advice.

When comfronted by a teacher who is FIRM and really CARES, those individuals with a truly good spirit will realize the teacher wants their best and their wellbeing. Those good spirits realizing so, will spend time in self analysis, recognize a destructive action, and will do his/her best to rectify it. In the eyes of a Teacher, their convertion from destructive action will be an incentive that this individual is worth it and will proceed to a prosporous healthy future and JOY!.

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